tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22356730.post114437523073371939..comments2023-10-29T20:50:33.666-04:00Comments on hyperekperissou: Peace and JesusPhil Sniderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08944477827816680359noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22356730.post-1147024914034276752006-05-07T14:01:00.000-04:002006-05-07T14:01:00.000-04:00I seem to have missed this one for a while, but, f...I seem to have missed this one for a while, but, for what its worth, let me try an answer. <BR/><BR/>First, yes, the 'cleansing of the temple' did involve violence, but the violence wasn't directed to injuring or killing people which is rather the point I was making. So, I take your point, but I'm not sure that it much signifies because I'm most concerned about injury to people not objects. Not that we can go randomly destroying things, but Jesus had a point he was making, so it made sense. <BR/><BR/>Second, in my United 93 post, I concede a Bonhoeffer clause in extreme situations. The problem here is that, quite frequently, we have to make a moral call and we can just as easily go wrong as right. <BR/><BR/>I think the problem I have with 'just war' theory is not that the idea itself is wrong so much that it isn't even employed nor am I sure that, given current military technology, it is even possible to employ it. I do know that, if it was employed consistently, we would have a whole lot less wars and less destructive ones as well. That would be a good thing, although, I think we both agree, the best is to have no war at all. But that depends on other people, so I can't always control that.Phil Sniderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08944477827816680359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22356730.post-1146514229922683172006-05-01T16:10:00.000-04:002006-05-01T16:10:00.000-04:00Phil,You say Jesus refused to use violence agianst...Phil,<BR/><BR/>You say Jesus refused to use violence agianst the evils of His day. What about the "cleansing of the temple" instance?<BR/><BR/>You seem to grant the Bonhoeffer view too. He agreed to, participated in planned assasination.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that the record suggests that there are very few times when violence is acceptible, but that they do happen. The question is can we identify them and limit ourselves to them?<BR/><BR/>It is not a small question. For most of our history the US has said that it will not begin a war. Mr. Bush has changed that, and I think we could say away from the Biblical standard. So, I think there are real issues to face even if we consider some violence justified.<BR/><BR/><BR/>FWIW<BR/>jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.com